My first real machine will be coming home in a week or so, would anyone have a scanned or PDF manual for a 50s ish SAG 14? I very excited about the lathe and have checked out it's history etc on lathes.UK. I hope to get a 5c nose or collect adaptor for it. It comes with 3 and 4 jaw chucks, both 10' which need cleaning up, and that's about it. Industrial Machinery Manuals Is Proud To Offer 1 Quality Bound Copy Of A: Graziano Mdl. Hello, My first real machine will be coming home in a week or so, would anyone have a scanned or PDF manual for a 50s ish SAG 14 I very excited about the lathe and have checked out its history etc on lathes.UK. I hope to get a 5c nose or collect adaptor for it.
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Greetings, It has been a • long time since my last post on PM. I want to clearly state, that I am not a machinist by trade and know how to operate machinery only as a means to an end. To preface my post, I am a gunsmith and have learned how to operate equipment well enough to do my work, so please forgive my ignorance. I have torn down, cleaned and repaired some small lathes over the years, so I can follow most of the posts here, but now I am poised to take a stab at what will hopefully be my 'last' lathe. I finally feel that my import 14x30 (bought used 3 years ago), lacks the stiffness and accuracy, although it has been adequate, but I always hoped for a stouter unit. I will be looking at a Graziano SAG 14 with the 60' between centers bed. I had studied up on the SAG 12 about 3 years ago and felt it was a very likely candidate, but there relative scarcity and prices, kept them out of reach, when I started rebuilding my garage shop.
When the SAG 14 popped up, I quickly did some research to find out more about that variant. I found that the few opinions running around were positive and never heard of any weaknesses. I know that the elctromagnetic clutches are discussed regarding wear/failure issues with some regularity for the SAG 12, but no one mentions the SAG 14 having any recurring problems. I will be going to see it over the weekend and would be grateful for any items that I should focus on particularly. I will look the unit over for any obvious problems and the machine is under power, so if it sounds like a coffee can full of rocks, I will know to run far away. I am not looking for a mint condition lathe, but I am wanting a solid serviceable unit that will hopefully be the last one I need to buy. I am not afraid of working on it, if something needs attention and I will do a thorough job of routine maintenance before I put it into service in my garage shop.
I will be glad to hear any and all comments about these units and look forward to having people that are skilled as machinists chime in. As a gunsmith, I know that what the masses accept as gospel as to how great or horrible a given firearm is, often times does not reflect reality. For the same reason, I am coming here for the information and opinions of those with more knowledge and experience in this field.
I suppose I should clarify, that I realize I am definitely looking at an example of over-kill if I get this unit, but I follow the old adage of better to have and not need, than to need and not have. Thanks in advance. As with any purchase of a used machine tool actual condition of the unit in question is key. There are good ones and bad ones. However, from an overall perspective, the SAG 14 was/is a fine machine. We bought one for our shop about 1990 and used it till '98 when we down-sized and got rid of it.
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I'd jump at the chance to get another one if the condition was decent. The machine we purchased came out of a production shop in Ontario and had significant wear in the first 18' of the bed. Starcraft 1 download. We had the bed reground and also took the time then to replace the headstock bearings--pricey but the seller split the cost with us. If I remember correctly by the time we were done we had about $11,000 invested in it but after proper and careful bedding and setup you could turn a 24' long shaft with virtually no measurable taper.
I loved that machine and I still kick myself for ever letting it go. The really sad part is that the fellow we sold it to had great plans for it and I thought it was going to a good home but the last time I saw it--about ten years after we sold it-the lathe was sitting in his yard wrapped in a tarp. I could have cried when I saw that and I sure as h*ll don't want to know what happened to it after. We look after our stuff and if I had kept that lathe it would still be sitting in our shop waiting to become the centre-piece of my soon to be home shop. LKeithR, I guess I keep waiting for someone to crop up and suddenly claim that it will burst into flames, my hair will turn white, babies will be born naked and rust will plague me to my dying day. I am very fortunate to have even these couple of feedbacks and I thank you. I will be looking at the machine early tomorrow morning and from my previous discussion on the phone with the owner, he states that the machine will hold to.0002 accuracy.
Hello, My first real machine will be coming home in a week or so, would anyone have a scanned or PDF manual for a 50s ish SAG 14? I very excited about the lathe and have checked out it's history etc on lathes.UK. I hope to get a 5c nose or collect adaptor for it. It comes with 3 and 4 jaw chucks, both 10' which need cleaning up, and that's about it. I'd love to get a steady rest for it too, are such things ever on eBay? I see a local 7.5 HP rotary phase converter, which I think so be more than I need, but any advice is welcome. It's going in the garage, I'm an IT guy that likes to play with machines, in my spare time.
Update I finally got the lathe home. I have a 10 HP VFD to power it, and I believe I have sorted out the oils I need to keeps it going. I'll get some pictures posted soon. Questions: Do I need a special type of oiler for the little button type oil ports on the lathe, I'm looking at Goldenrod piston pump oil can will that do it? Are tool posts for 10-18 inch swing the most appropriate? For tooling 1 inch holders? I see an auction coming with a lot of 1' and 1 1/4' tool holders on offer.
Anyone have a favorite dial setup for the cross feed? It came with a DRO for the Z axis so I'm good there.
I plan to the have it back up against a wall, but notice the chip pan come off on the back side, I can make a hoe like device for chip removal, will that be sufficient or should I try and spin the lathe around? It's a hobby thing right now, so I don't t anticipate mountains of chips in the near term I have the full set of carriage stops, how often do you guys use them? Are they usable for shoulder stops and threading stops? They seem incredibly handy.
A goldenrod piston pump works well with Vactra #2 on my Sag 12. Don ClementThanks Don, I have one on the way. I now have the lathe powered up, via the VFD. I have a tool post, and a few holders coming, and most importantly a gas line being trenched in, so I'll have heat.
I haven't done much cleaning yet, there are some dings on the ways and leading edge of the compound and the chuckling the lathe has been well used, but everything seems solid. The 3 jaw chuck is a Buck 230mm or 9+ inches and appears to be truable I'm not sure who makes the 4 jaw it is 10' and has plenty of dings but seems to operate just fine. I tried to get picture's of all these things. I also investigated the front way covers which I think have been gone for quite awhile, the holes were all packed with crap and a few of the bolts are snapped off. I guess I'll get to try out my left hand drill bits. Questions: I plan to the have it back up against a wall, but notice the chip pan come off on the back side, I can make a hoe like device for chip removal, will that be sufficient or should I try and spin the lathe around?
It's a hobby thing right now, so I don't t anticipate mountains of chips in the near term I have the full set of carriage stops, how often do you guys use them? Are they usable for shoulder stops and threading stops? They seem incredibly handy.
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Thanks PetePete, I have my SAG 14 backed up to a wall and I haven't had any issues cleaning out the chip pan from the front. I have used the carriage stops on occasion but they don't seem to be really precise enough to trust them for consistent machining to a shoulder. I also find them a bit cumbersome to set up. If you plan to use a coolant system, I would highly recommend constructing a back splash shield and install a chuck guard. Otherwise, you will have coolant/cutting oil all over your wall, ceiling, floor and yourself. You asked about buying accessories such as steady and follow rests on eBay.
I have been watching eBay for Graziano accessories for several years and have never seen anything for these lathes. I purchased both a steady and follow rest on eBay that were for different lathes and machined adapters for them to work on mine. If you're interested in seeing what I've done for accessories and a back splash shield, I can post pictures. Enjoy your new purchase. They're a great machine.
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Questions: Are tool posts for 10-18 inch swing the most appropriate? For tooling 1 inch holders? I see an auction coming with a lot of 1' and 1 1/4' tool holders on offer. I plan to the have it back up against a wall, but notice the chip pan come off on the back side, I can make a hoe like device for chip removal, will that be sufficient or should I try and spin the lathe around? It's a hobby thing right now, so I don't t anticipate mountains of chips in the near term I have the full set of carriage stops, how often do you guys use them? Are they usable for shoulder stops and threading stops? They seem incredibly handy.You may have a problem with 1' tools being above the spindle centerline, depending on the toolpost you end up buying.
I would go with 3/4'. Placement of the chip pan is dumb if you put the machine up against a wall.
The machine balances perfectly just under the chuck allowing one to move at around using a simple automotive floor jack. But not with the chip pan in place. Using my machine only on occasion, I just left the chip pan off. If you use coolant you should install it. With carbide tools, you won't really need coolant anyway; mostly for drilling with HSS. The shoulder stops wouldn't work for threading.
One technique that works well with the clutch driven Sag 14 is just to leave the half nut engaged and reverse the spindle after backing the tool out of the cut when threading. I've used the method for several years with great results. A safety chuck cover helps a lot in controlling oil spatter from the chuck. I'll try to post a picture next time I'm at home.
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